08/00/99 - FOX NEWS SUNDAY [8/15]   PAT BUCHANAN ON FOX NEWS SUNDAY HUME: Is it possible to finish out of the top three in an Iowa straw vote and stay in the field? Here with an answer is Pat Buchanan, who came in fifth Saturday night. My FOX NEWS colleague Bill O'Reilly joins in the questioning. Good morning, Pat. BUCHANAN: How are you doing, Brit? HUME: Now, Gary Bauer looks like he was going after the same kind of voters that you would go after, some real similarities, both former colleagues in the Reagan White House, at least for a time. But he seemed to get more of them. What happened, Pat? BUCHANAN: Well, I don't know. We got slightly more, I think, of the social conservative vote. Gary's been working for three years out here. He did a good job, but he won by a couple of hundred votes. There's no doubt that the socially conservative vote is split, Brit. But my strength lies with those folks who are Teamsters who came to that gathering, and my strength, frankly, lies across the board. And I think we've got reach in all parties, if you will, that Gary does not have. HUME: You say reach in all parties. You mean -- you're talking about the possibility of another political party for you, perhaps? BUCHANAN: No, no. All I'm talking about is, for example, I got the about 500 Teamsters out there yesterday who gave me a full-throated reception. And in that hall, it was my economic nationalism -- America first foreign policy. Those issues, I think, which give us a full range of issues that caused that crowd to give me what I think was the finest reception of the night. And I think these are areas where we have real strength. But it is a point of fact that there is no doubt Gary and I agree on right to life. O'REILLY: Mr. Buchanan, in an interview, George W. Bush said he was going to ask you on the platform when you guys were all together, and Mrs. Dole as well, to stay in the Republican Party and not bolt to the Reform Party. Did he ask you that, and what are your plans about a third party? BUCHANAN: Yes, the governor was not on the platform, but as we were getting ready to go up on the platform for the photo op, the governor came up to me and said he said on Evans and Novak that he was going to ask me when he ran into me to say in the Republican Party, and he did exactly that. And I said I appreciated his comment, but we were about to go out and have a photograph. Look, my view is this: I'm going down this road toward the Republican nomination. That's where we're headed right now. We're building organization in every state. In terms of Iowans, we did better this time than we did in 1996, although I will say the field is much tougher in terms of organization out here, with Mr. Forbes' money and Mr. Bush's enormous popularity, and frankly, Liddy Dole's popularity. So we're moving down this road toward the Republican nomination. But right now, all I'm going to do is take a vacation, go out and sell a new book I've got, which enunciates some of these foreign policy differences that I have not only with Clinton and Gore, but with Bush and Forbes and Dole. O'REILLY: What about the fact, though, that if you want to just strip away all the rhetoric -- because you're good at that -- it seems that the establishment, the Republican Party establishment, is going to back Governor Bush because they're just fed up with Clinton-Gore, and they feel this is a winner. BUCHANAN: Right. O'REILLY: And issues don't really matter now. It's, he's a winner. We've got to get these guys out. We're going to go with him. BUCHANAN: Bill, there's a lot of truth to what you are saying. For example, last night, that crowd was cheering and roaring as I denounced the China policy, a Balkan policy, and a social policy of the Clinton- Gore administration, which is embraced by Mr. Bush, who won the straw poll. Those folks were cheering for me when I was denouncing policies which are his as much as they are Clinton-Gore's. So, I do believe the only way to beat Mr. Bush is with message, not money. However, the point you made is very well taken. There is a hunger and a thirst for a winner, and let's get rid of Clinton and Gore. And if anybody can do it, get him in there. And that is the driving force behind the Bush campaign, I believe, because I thought his speech was a nice speech last night but altogether unexceptional. And I don't think it roused that crowd in the auditorium. But they are hungry for a winner. There's no doubt about it. HUME: So, Pat, in the past, you've managed to get a foothold in these races by having a strong or at least stronger than expected finish, somewhere in the early going. BUCHANAN: Right. HUME: I think it's reasonable to say that despite what you say that obviously when you finish fifth and you've been beaten by Gary Bauer, whose issue profile is as similar as it is to yours, that this wasn't it. BUCHANAN: Yes. HUME: So, if not here, where? BUCHANAN: Well, look. Last time, we won three out of the first four contests. You're right, Brit. I won Alaska and Louisiana and eliminated Gramm, which enabled me to take his base in Iowa, almost beat Dole. And I won New Hampshire. And then I fell short in Arizona. BUCHANAN: You're right, there's no question about it, Brit, that you're right to this extent: enormous amounts of money and understanding how I did it and the polls and all the rest of it make what we did in '96 much more problematic and difficult now. It can be done, but clearly we have got to winnow the field out of social conservatives and I believe there's only one candidate who can basically beat Mr. Bush, he's got to have a message that's different and I'm the only one that's got a different China and a Balkan message and social policy and a trade policy that are antithetical -- 180 degrees -- to what Mr. Bush offers. Now, you got five or six months to do that. Is it tough? Of course it's going to be tough. Tougher than last time? Probably, you're right, but I believe it can be done and we're going to head down that road. HUME: Let me just ask you now, with Steve Forbes in the race to the extent that he is, he was in the last time. He did a lot of damage, it was felt, to the ultimate nominee. You're perhaps in a position to do that, particularly if you bolt the party. How seriously -- I just want to get back and try you one more time on that. How seriously should we take that? BUCHANAN: Well, you know, I -- look, I have not had any discussions with mine like Pat Choate, Phillips wished I would run in the Taxpayer Party, but I chose to run in the Republican Party. That decision stands, Brit. And that's the road down which we're going. But, again, I think that if you can make the difference with Mr. Bush on these issues, it is the only way to win it. Mr. Forbes showed last night -- I mean, when you've got a tent up there with French doors on it and you're paying that kind of money, $1,000 a vote, I mean, you ought to be able to get more than 4,000 people. You get me $1,000 a vote, Brit, and I'll get them in there the old-fashioned way. (LAUGHTER) HUME: Pat, great to have you, always good to see you. BUCHANAN: Pleasure. HUME: I have a feeling those French doors will turn out to be one of the great mistakes of the campaign. And I hope you'll come again. Thanks very much. BUCHANAN: OK, thank you. All right, bye-bye. 08/17/99 - NEW YORK POST - ROBERT D NOVAK   BUCHANAN'S NEW YORK DREAM If Patrick J. Buchanan defects from the Republicans and wins the Reform Party presidential nomination, New York Conservative Party leaders may be unable to stem their party's rank-and-file from nominating him instead of the Republican standard bearer. Buchanan could head three ballot lines in New York:  Conservative, Right-to-Life and Independence (the state's Reform Party). That would diminish high hopes by New York GOP leaders for Texas Gov. George W. Bush to be the first Republican to carry the state for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984... 08/17/99 - MEET THE PRESS [8/15]   BUCHANAN DISCUSSES THE STRAW POLL RESULTS MR. RUSSERT: Now, let's talk to the man making his third run for the White House, Pat Buchanan. MR. BUCHANAN: Hi, Tim. MR. RUSSERT: Let me show you what you said just a few weeks ago about the Grim Reaper. "The Grim Reaper is going to be waiting outside the gates of the Ames auditorium. About five or six of these fellows may not survive that." Pat Buchanan, you're in fifth place. Is the man with the hood and sickle going to take you for a walk today? MR. BUCHANAN: You know, as the Abby de Sade said when asked what he did during the French Revolution, he said, "I survived." We survived. We came out fine, Tim. We came in fifth place. I wish we'd been one or two places higher. But we're going forward. MR. RUSSERT: Yesterday in your speech, you kept saying repeatedly, "What are we doing, this party of ours, criticizing the front-runner's position on trade, China, Kosovo?" Will you pledge today that you will support George W. Bush if he's the nominee? MR. BUCHANAN: No. Let me say this, Tim. I will no--I ca--I don't know where I'm going to be in August of the year 2000, so I'm not going to make any statement like that, but I will say this. You make a very good point, that auditorium erupted in howls, catcalls, cheers for me, when I denounced policies on most favored nation for Communist China, which is appeasement, a Balkan policy that Governor Bush supports, an immigration policy Governor Bush supports and, quite frankly, a life policy on which Governor Bush has shown himself to be utterly indifferent to the right to life in that famous Talk magazine article. I denounced all of those positions, and that auditorium erupted in cheers and standing ovations at the same time it gave its votes to Mr. Bush. So I think that Mr. Bush and I profoundly disagree across the board, and I need to know where this fellow stands on Roe v. Wade. Will he nominate judges who, in his heart and mind, will overturn Roe v. Wade and restore the sanctity of life to the Constitution of the United States? MR. RUSSERT: George W. Bush told people that yesterday on the stage there in Ames, he turned to you and said, "Pat Buchanan, stay in the Republican Party." Did he do that, and what did you say back to him? MR. BUCHANAN: It was not on the stage; it was before we went out on the stage. He did come up and say that, "I talked to Novak. I told him I was going to ask you--I want you in the Republican Party." And I said, "I appreciate that, Governor." It was a gracious gesture. MR. RUSSERT: Will you pledge to remain in the Republican Party? MR. BUCHANAN: Look, I've been a Republican all of my life. Thirty-three years ago, I joined Richard Nixon to travel the country for the Republican Party. I've supported every nominee. All I can tell you, Tim, is, I'm going to follow my star, an America First foreign policy that keeps us out of wars like Kosovo, a policy that does not appease Communist China in a form that is dangerous and risking war in the Taiwan Straits. Unlike Mrs. Dole, I'll tell you what I do. You got drugs coming across that border. If necessary, you put the armed forces of the United States on the Mexican border. You stop the illegal immigration cold and you stand up for the right to life. Now, if my party's going to move off in another direction, fine, but it goes in that direction without me. But we're moving ahead right now for the Republican nomination. It's rough. It's uphill. Congratulations to Governor Bush. He had an outstanding night. But we're coming after him still. MR. RUSSERT: But you're not ruling out running as the Reform Party candidate for president? MR. BUCHANAN: You know, look, Tim, I'm not ruling anything in or out, but I can tell you what I'm doing right now, is moving forward toward the Republican nomination. Forbes showed last night that money can't beat George Bush. I mean, you got French doors on your tent and a balloon drop that looks like it was choreographed by Gordon Liddy, and you still can't beat this fellow with $1,000 a vote. Only message, only ideas, only issues are going to help the conservatives and the populists take this nomination away from Mr. Bush. That's the message of the Iowa straw poll. MR. RUSSERT: Jesse Ventura, who is the titular head of the Reform Party, along with Ross Perot, said, "I'm not sure if Pat would make a good fit for the Reform Party," because you put social issues on the front burner and he doesn't like that. MR. BUCHANAN: Well, I know Governor Ventura is very, very liberal on social issues. His party's agnostic on social issues, but I believe these ideas because I'm a Christian and a Roman Catholic. The Reform Party, frankly, does not discriminate against Christians and Catholics. That's not to say that I'm running for any Reform Party nomination. I am a Republican. I've been a Republican all my life. We're marching down this road toward that nomination, Tim. 08/15/99 - CNN [8/14]   CNN LIVE: IOWA STRAW POLL JUDY WOODRUFF: Addressing Iowans at this straw poll gathering in Ames, Iowa, Pat Buchanan, his wife, Shelly, walking up on the stage here, someone who tried hard, did well in the New Hampshire primary in 1996, but did not win the nomination. He's been making a valiant effort this time but has been frustrated, I think it's fair to say, in fundraising and in seeing the attention George W. Bush has been getting. BRUCE MORTON: Well, I think that's right. And he is asked about would you go reform party or some other party? What he said the last time I asked him was: Well, I have principles of right-to-life, is one, America's trade policy is another. If the Republican partisan follows those, that's fine; otherwise, I'm free. WOODRUFF: There were some passionate supporters at the Pat Buchanan tent today. We went over and watched as he stood up on the stage in his own tent, and here you see some of them now. Let's listen. BUCHANAN: Thank you, Bruce Springstein, for that tremendous introduction. Now, let me talk -- let me talk a little bit -- go back into the past and talk about how I first came into this conservative movement. It was back almost 40 years ago, I was a young recruit in the great army of Barry Goldwater that met the forces of Nelson Aldrige Rockefeller, the coup in the Cow Palace, when we changed this party and turned it into something, it was a great instrument of modern conservatism. We won that battle then, and we made a resolution then that I believe has application today: Resolve that never again would we let the national press or the big media tell us what Republican should get in any race and who should get out of any race. And never again would we let big money and the beltway elite tell us who we should nominate for president of the United States. As of old, the battle has been rejoice, and as of old, we march to Armageddon to do battle for the Lord. Let me tell you about the party that I believe in and have fought for all my life. It is a party of a man I stood beside in 1977 when we fought against the giveaway of the Panama Canal, Ronald Reagan. It is the party of that same Ronald Reagan I stood with in 1986 at the great summit of Reykjavik when he pounded the table and got up and walked away from the greatest arms deal of the century because the Soviet dictator demanded that he give up the defensive weapons to defend his country, SDI. That's the Ronald Reagan I knew. That Ronald Reagan did not equivocate. That Ronald Reagan did not apologize. That Ronald Reagan did not mince words, and he did none of those when he stood up unequivocally for the right to life of the innocent unborn and all of God's children. So let me tell you -- I don't know what others may do, but let me tell you, when I'm sitting in that Oval Office, any judge that comes before me and he wants to go on that Supreme Court, he'll either be a pro-life constitutionalist or he will not sit on the Supreme Court. Roe v. Wade is an ugly scar across the face of America. We got to remove that scar and then God will hear this people, and He will heal our land. You know, the party of Reagan -- the party of Reagan was a party of working men and women in this country, of teamsters and steel workers and textile workers. Yet now we see the farmers of a Iowa in a depression -- 400,000 manufacturing jobs lost last year in a good year for America; a $300-billion trade deficit for our country. Our economic independence is being lost and our sovereignty is being eroded. Let me ask you something. What is the party of Reagan doing? Sacrificing the working men and women of this country on the altars of NAFTA and GATT and the World Trade Organization in Clinton and Gore's New World Order! What are we doing, this party of ours? Well, let me tell you -- to all those internationalists and globalists, whether they be in Washington or up at the U.N. or in Bonn or Paris or Tokyo or New York, let me tell you something. When I raise my hand to take that oath of office as president of the United States, your New World Order comes crashing down! What is this party of Ronald Reagan doing? Parts of it, not all of it. We got some good men here who oppose that policy. But what is part of our party doing embracing the policy of groveling and appeasing of Communist China with Most Favored Nation trade treatment that gives Communist China a $60-billion trade surplus every year with the United States? Let me tell you I've got a different policy in mind. I've got a different policy in mind. If Mr. Zhou Ronzhi (ph) had come to see me in the Oval Office as he saw Bill Clinton, I would have told him, sir, you're going to stop persecuting Christians, you're going to stop bullying our friends on Taiwan, you're going to stop pointing missiles at us, or you're going to have sold your pair of chopsticks in any mall in the United States of America. We're just -- we're just getting there. You know, the Chinese Communists are all whining and complaining. They said, we don't know how your American missile hit our embassy in Belgrade. You know, the Chinese Communists said that, but if the Chinese Communists don't know how our missiles work, who does? They stole every secret we got under Bill Clinton. Now, let me talk about this recent war in Kosovo. What is our party doing, cheering Mr. Clinton on in an illegal, unconstitutional war that destroyed a country that had never attacked us and in a region of the world -- the Balkans -- where we have never had a vital interest? What are we doing, embracing that policy? I'm against that war for other reasons, even though we had no vital interests there and Serbia had not attacked us. I believe it was launched in part by Bill Clinton to cover up the latest disgrace in the Oval Office! And I oppose that war for another reason. I don't believe the man who launched that war, Mr. Clinton, is fit to be the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States. We got our armed forces spread all over the country, my friends, spread all over the world, some places under U.N. command. They're defending borders in Korea, in Kuwait, in Kosovo. What we need to do is rebuild, re-arm and replenish that military and bring them home. And if you want to defend a border, why don't they try defending the southern border of the United States of America! You know -- let me close here. I don't want to use up all my time and have these microphones cut off on me the way they were in 1996. I went 16 minutes. They finally had had it with me. But let me tell you a story. Ollie North is a friend of mine -- you know old Ollie, the Marine. He called me up and said, Pat, I'm going to have you on my TV show. I want to tell you what I'm going to ask you. My first question's going to be, what's the first thing you're going to do as president? So I said, Ollie, I will be ready. I do TV for a living, Ollie. I can handle that. So I went on that show with Ollie. The first question he asked me was, what's the first thing you're going to do as president? I said, the first thing I'm going to do, Ollie, we're going to shut down the Department of Education. Ollie said, no -- Ollie said, no, no, that's not it. I said, all right, I'm going to shut down that National Endowment for the Arts, I'm going to fumigate the building and put the IRS in there. And Ollie said, no, the first thing you do when you're up there on the inaugural stand. I said, well, I got to deliver my inaugural speech, but, Ollie, when I raise my hand to take that oath of office, I'm the chief law enforcement officer of the United States, aren't I? He said, that's right. I said, if I'm the chief law enforcement officer of the United States, I guess the first thing I'd have to do is turn to Bill Clinton and said, sir, you have a right to remain silent, you have a right to have an attorney present. Let me say it has been wonderful to be here. It's a great event, and we were here in '96. We had a wonderful time. The Buchanan Brigades are over there, and wonderful folks from these other folks in the campaign, and I'm proud and honored to be here. And I've had a long, good career in politics, and I just thought tonight that I would want to leave with a thought that I remember reading in Teddy White's book that Jack Kennedy said. He quoted Lincoln in the final days -- final days of his campaign in 1960 when he came out on the porch in some place in Connecticut, and he quoted Lincoln. And I want to say this especially to my wonderful folks over there in the Brigades. He said, I know there is a God and I know he hates injustice. I see the storm coming and I know His hand is in it. But if there is a place and a part for me, I believe that I am ready. God bless you and God bless the U.S.A. MORE FROM THE INTERNET BRIGADE NEWSWIRE...

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